Grendel, poor fool, he's learning so much, but the more power he receives the less he respects the humans. It's as if invincibilty makes you a greater being, but a dirty fool with words of filth. If Grendel were to be immortal, he'd forget that this world wasn't his. Unferth always has such bad events occur around him. We finally learn why he's so bitter. His luck is just not cut out for him. Unferth has words of wisdom, even if they contradict, but his cowardly actions do not justify a thing. Now, whenever I read of him, I always imagine the same man in the Beowulf movie. He continually comes off as a skeezy, cowardly fool to me.
As bad as I feel for Unferth, the image of him trying to be heroic and receiving only a shower of apples was pretty damn funny. I feel happy for Grendel in a weird way too. I found myself feeling really sorry for him toward the beginning of the book up until his encounter with the dragon. Now it's nice that he's come into his rather strange element even if that entails killing a lot of people and life losing any possibility of a meaning. He may be a nihilistic killer but at least he's more or less a happy one. - Charlie B.
This chapter and this the events that have happend are probably some of the most interesting yet. Im starting to feel bad for unferth as all of his attempts and hard work end up in him getting a bunch of apples thrown at him. Hes starting to have so meaning to his life and is finally starting to laugh. Its nice to see grendal finally enjoy himself.
Grendel is making more sense, but now he has a REALLY short temper. He can't stand people crying! I get where he is coming from though. He got a lot darker too. He is so angry. I like Unferth much better in Grendel than in Beowulf (book) and MUCH better than the John Wakovitch (?) version. The apple bit was funny in a really mean way... Unferth just never gives up does he? So determined and smartish. He is kind of like Grendel before he met the dragon, innocent in some sense. He wants to be a hero without realizing how much you have to work for it. He stops being so innocent after Grendel drops him off.
I don't really like Grendel in this chapter. He's becoming a true monster. Not the thoughtful, curious, enchanted, sensitive monster we have grown to love but a gruesome, selfish one. The dragon has turned him against himself in a way. Grendel hates himself now, he hates what he is doing and what he has become. I despise the dragon for doing that. I found it very funny that Unferth got humiliated and that he can't be a hero. But it was nice of Grendel to not killl Unferth and instead throw apples at him. Even though Grendel has become a larger more dangerous enemy to the people, I still think deep down he's the poor little naive baby who cries for his mother.
This chapter was funny and really important. Poor Unferth tried to act tough and wasn't able to even hurt Grendel a little bit. This chapter was important because Grendel is starting to become the monster that you see in Beowulf. Not only is Grendel having no trouble at all dealing with the fact that he is eating people but he enjoys doing so and "plays with his food" while doing it. He has lost any bit of humanity that he had gained from watching the humans live. Poor Grendel slowly becoming the monster that he was meant to be :c.
Grendel isn't so innocent now since he's taken advantage of the charm the dragon gave him . He changed so much from the crying helpless Grendel stuck in the tree and now he's become quite a scary monster, especially when he bit off the man's head. He's now the scary, dangerous Grendel from Beowulf and not the young, thoughtful Grendel from the beginning of the story.
This chapter, was, AMAZING. Haha Grendal's sick twisted mind is what puts this whole book together, and especially in this chapter. I can't believe how brutally he embarrassed Unferth, that was just awesome. Haha, throwing apples at him as he tries to charge and kill Grendal. A pure masterpiece that was. And the final blow when he hit his nose! Aw man, that was just to much. And I can't believe that Unferth then came back to fight Grendal, in his own home this time! If I were him, I would've just taken the shame Afros the first night and then moved on with my life, and keep living. But you see, Unferth had a different train of thought. He knew he was going to die he went to Grendal's cave, but at least he would have his honor regained for having tried to fight the monster. Thank you Grendal, and thank you Unferth for being a virgin at being a monster killer, and at being a hero.
I think that Grendel must have felt somewhat complete after finding out what is his meaning of existence is. At the same time, I feel pity towards Grendel because he has the humans hating him. He finds amusement in embarrassing humans, such as Unferth, than killing them. Although that was quite funny, I felt bad for Unferth. In their time, being humiliated is a lot worse than being killed. In this situation, Unferth was humiliated, which results to why he becomes cold and bitter in the book Beowulf. In my opinion, Grendel is a strange creature that finds liking in humiliating humans than killing them and goes through all this trouble in order to find out the meaning of the Shaper.
In this chapter Grendel show less and less respect for humans when he starts to learn more. Grendel also found out that he was given invincibility so now he can't die. The dragon has defiantly changed what Grendel was like since the start of the book. Grendel has also become more like a monster in this chapter now compared to the start of the book where he was really scared most of the time.
My thoughts of Grendel are less sure than they were in the other chapters of this book. He is truly embracing the "I'm the monster" role, and to me it may defeat a bit of his former intellect. He is a very thoughtful monster still, but growing ever to be a cross between the monster the shaper shapes him to be, and the monster the dragon encourages him to be. I found it interesting that the only contact with any human he has is with unferth, and obviously could have gone better. He is becoming much more of a social monster to the danes than ever before. He is no longer just a brute creature cursed upon the danes, but one who really messes with them, not only physically but psychologically.
In this chapter, I thought that Grendel was pretty funny in the way that he humiliated Unferth. I thought it was clever what Grendel did, but I also kind of feel bad for Unferth. I feel bad for him because of the apple throwing incident. I just think that when Unferth was humiliated, he must have been really confused at the same time because this monster that was killing people just started throwing apples at him. At the same time though, I am sort of happy for Grendel in that apple throwing incident. I feel happy for him because Grendel finally got the playing around with other people time he never had before in his life. Another part of the chapter that I enjoyed and was interested by was how Grendel basically messed with Unferth. I thought it was funny when Unferth goes all the way to where Grendel lives and tries to get Grendel to fight and/or kill him. I find it interesting that whatever Unferth wants, Grendel just won’t give it to him. I just really liked how Grendel kept messing with and humiliating Unferth.
This chapter was funny, and sad at the same time. The idea of a giant furry monster throwing apples at a warrior provides some comic relief. But seeing what Grendel is becoming is where the sad part comes in. He used to be a thoughtful monster, a poetic monster, just making his way in the world. But now with all these outside influences telling him who and what he ought to be, he is slowly sealing his fate of death at the hands of Beowulf. Even though it was nice of the dragon to make Grendel immune to weapons, it turned his mind. He seems to have been taken over with a false happiness, which must be constantly renewed. The only way for him to renew it, is to wage war on the humans.
I don’t believe that the newly found power that the dragon gave to Grendel was a gift. It seems like more of a curse. Grendel had thought about being nice to the humans on multiple occasions, especially when the dragon terrified him, but now he has turned into a monster. He feels invincible and uses it to his amusement, but at the same time seems miserable with what he has become. I think part of the reason the dragon may have done this is because since the dragon sees the future, he might have taken a liking to Grendel and tried to give him something that would save him from death at the blade of some hero. But now Grendel’s rein of terror is just guaranteeing his death at the hands of Beowulf. So maybe the dragon actually hates Grendel and gave this power to him so that he would take advantage of it and later be killed in a worse way by Beowulf. I’m not sure. Either way I really don’t like what the dragon has done.
Grendel is really coming in to his monster character. Since he now has meaning in his life he is attacking the humans all the time. i feel like he is getting a little carried away. He is still very poetic and shows it even when he is fighting. It felt like he was so sure that he would not get hurt by them that he put his guard down all the way. I feel that eventually this behavior will come back and hurt him. I loved when he was fighting the "Hero" and throwing apples at him. Overall i really enjoyed this chapter and it had lots of funny bits in it.
I really liked this chapter for several reasons. I thought that Grendels "fight" with Unferth was really sad/funny. Even though Unferth wanted to battle, Grendel knew that he could vanquish him, so instead of ripping Unferth to bits, Grendel wanted to communicate with a human. I thought it was interesting how later on in this chapter, Unferth follows Grendel home and has a chat. I guess Unferth saw that there was a good side to this "monster". Reading "Beowulf", I envisioned Unferth being a sleazy coward, but after reading this chapter and getting to know his backround, he doesn't seem like such a bad guy to me. I think Grendel felt sympathetic towards Unferth's life history. Whenever Grendel attacked the Meadhall, Unferth was always untouched.
I feel really bad for Unferth even though it's almost hilarious how pathetic he is. I think he wants to be liked and admired, but he's not really the heroic type. The apple scene and the scene where Unferth is in Grendel's cave were both really funny but kinda sad the same time. On one hand, I want to help Unferth because he's struggling so much. On the other hand, I want to laugh hysterically at the whole thing. Besides Unferth being a weakling in this chapter, Grendel is changing. I think meeting the dragon changed his views on life and himself. Grendel is becoming more like a monster and less like a philosophical being. He's started attacking the mead hall a lot more and pondering life a lot less. I think that Grendel is acting this way is because the dragon said it's okay to scare the humans and there's no reason not to. Another thing that you can really see in this chapter is Grendel's philosophy changing. He basically absorbed annhilism from the dragon. Now he thinks that nothing matters and there is no meaning in anything. I think that's a depressing way of life for him and he's taking out his sadness on the humans.
Seeing how the dragon changes Grendel is frightening, but I enjoy seeing him complete. He's so terrible, and cruel now. I love it! To see that he has a purpose makes me feel good for Grendel's sake, and I still love to see him using his mind. Even as he kills people with brute strength and fear, he still uses his mind. I like how he doesn't completely fall into the mechanical world as another mechanism, but still maintains his mind. I'm torn when he humiliates Unferth though. I love the way Grendel humiliates him and just throws apples at him to make him seem more foolish. I can't help but laugh. However, I feel bad for Unferth. Making someone envy the dead is frightening, and I'm sure we've all been embarrassed at least once in our lives and are familiar with the feeling. I understand where his bitterness comes from now.
this was a very odd chapter. we get to see a version of unferth that is very different from the one in beowulf. in Grendel's story, Unferth is trying to stand up to Grendel. fight him. be a hero. but Grendel just uses impenetrability to not kill Unferth, but humiliate him. he could do so much worse. he's killed and eaten countless men. massacred the mead hall and wandered hopelessly looking for stuff to do. finally he has a reason to be there. he comes above all the violence and figures out he can do more than that. he can humiliate. instead of crushing unferth, slicing hip open, he throws apples at him. poor unferth.
I think that the "help" the dragon gives him by making him invincible is actually a curse. He was a scared but thoughtful monster before the talk to the dragon but now he is a real monster that kills without reason, kind of like the bull. He has become mechanical, he doesn't see any meaning in life and he knows now that he is the evil in the world. He has now found the his meaning to life but he is still a nihilist, which is a pretty weird way of looking at the world if you ask me...
This chapter was really funny, and really sad all at once. It made me laugh that Unferth tried to create a picture of himself being a hero and received a few nice apples, and at the same time that was sad... I felt bad for the poor guy. Then I immediately I took that back because he came to Beowulf like a little baby asking for death because of his humiliation, COME ON UNFERTH suck it up and face your people like a TRUE hero...
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Grendel, poor fool, he's learning so much, but the more power he receives the less he respects the humans. It's as if invincibilty makes you a greater being, but a dirty fool with words of filth. If Grendel were to be immortal, he'd forget that this world wasn't his.
Unferth always has such bad events occur around him. We finally learn why he's so bitter. His luck is just not cut out for him. Unferth has words of wisdom, even if they contradict, but his cowardly actions do not justify a thing.
Now, whenever I read of him, I always imagine the same man in the Beowulf movie. He continually comes off as a skeezy, cowardly fool to me.
As bad as I feel for Unferth, the image of him trying to be heroic and receiving only a shower of apples was pretty damn funny.
I feel happy for Grendel in a weird way too. I found myself feeling really sorry for him toward the beginning of the book up until his encounter with the dragon. Now it's nice that he's come into his rather strange element even if that entails killing a lot of people and life losing any possibility of a meaning.
He may be a nihilistic killer but at least he's more or less a happy one.
- Charlie B.
This chapter and this the events that have happend are probably some of the most interesting yet. Im starting to feel bad for unferth as all of his attempts and hard work end up in him getting a bunch of apples thrown at him. Hes starting to have so meaning to his life and is finally starting to laugh. Its nice to see grendal finally enjoy himself.
Grendel is making more sense, but now he has a REALLY short temper. He can't stand people crying! I get where he is coming from though. He got a lot darker too. He is so angry.
I like Unferth much better in Grendel than in Beowulf (book) and MUCH better than the John Wakovitch (?) version. The apple bit was funny in a really mean way... Unferth just never gives up does he? So determined and smartish. He is kind of like Grendel before he met the dragon, innocent in some sense. He wants to be a hero without realizing how much you have to work for it. He stops being so innocent after Grendel drops him off.
I don't really like Grendel in this chapter. He's becoming a true monster. Not the thoughtful, curious, enchanted, sensitive monster we have grown to love but a gruesome, selfish one. The dragon has turned him against himself in a way. Grendel hates himself now, he hates what he is doing and what he has become. I despise the dragon for doing that.
I found it very funny that Unferth got humiliated and that he can't be a hero. But it was nice of Grendel to not killl Unferth and instead throw apples at him. Even though Grendel has become a larger more dangerous enemy to the people, I still think deep down he's the poor little naive baby who cries for his mother.
This chapter was funny and really important. Poor Unferth tried to act tough and wasn't able to even hurt Grendel a little bit. This chapter was important because Grendel is starting to become the monster that you see in Beowulf. Not only is Grendel having no trouble at all dealing with the fact that he is eating people but he enjoys doing so and "plays with his food" while doing it. He has lost any bit of humanity that he had gained from watching the humans live. Poor Grendel slowly becoming the monster that he was meant to be :c.
Grendel isn't so innocent now since he's taken advantage of the charm the dragon gave him . He changed so much from the crying helpless Grendel stuck in the tree and now he's become quite a scary monster, especially when he bit off the man's head. He's now the scary, dangerous Grendel from Beowulf and not the young, thoughtful Grendel from the beginning of the story.
This chapter, was, AMAZING. Haha Grendal's sick twisted mind is what puts this whole book together, and especially in this chapter. I can't believe how brutally he embarrassed Unferth, that was just awesome. Haha, throwing apples at him as he tries to charge and kill Grendal. A pure masterpiece that was. And the final blow when he hit his nose! Aw man, that was just to much. And I can't believe that Unferth then came back to fight Grendal, in his own home this time! If I were him, I would've just taken the shame Afros the first night and then moved on with my life, and keep living. But you see, Unferth had a different train of thought. He knew he was going to die he went to Grendal's cave, but at least he would have his honor regained for having tried to fight the monster. Thank you Grendal, and thank you Unferth for being a virgin at being a monster killer, and at being a hero.
I think that Grendel must have felt somewhat complete after finding out what is his meaning of existence is. At the same time, I feel pity towards Grendel because he has the humans hating him. He finds amusement in embarrassing humans, such as Unferth, than killing them. Although that was quite funny, I felt bad for Unferth. In their time, being humiliated is a lot worse than being killed. In this situation, Unferth was humiliated, which results to why he becomes cold and bitter in the book Beowulf. In my opinion, Grendel is a strange creature that finds liking in humiliating humans than killing them and goes through all this trouble in order to find out the meaning of the Shaper.
In this chapter Grendel show less and less respect for humans when he starts to learn more. Grendel also found out that he was given invincibility so now he can't die. The dragon has defiantly changed what Grendel was like since the start of the book. Grendel has also become more like a monster in this chapter now compared to the start of the book where he was really scared most of the time.
My thoughts of Grendel are less sure than they were in the other chapters of this book. He is truly embracing the "I'm the monster" role, and to me it may defeat a bit of his former intellect. He is a very thoughtful monster still, but growing ever to be a cross between the monster the shaper shapes him to be, and the monster the dragon encourages him to be. I found it interesting that the only contact with any human he has is with unferth, and obviously could have gone better. He is becoming much more of a social monster to the danes than ever before. He is no longer just a brute creature cursed upon the danes, but one who really messes with them, not only physically but psychologically.
In this chapter, I thought that Grendel was pretty funny in the way that he humiliated Unferth. I thought it was clever what Grendel did, but I also kind of feel bad for Unferth. I feel bad for him because of the apple throwing incident. I just think that when Unferth was humiliated, he must have been really confused at the same time because this monster that was killing people just started throwing apples at him. At the same time though, I am sort of happy for Grendel in that apple throwing incident. I feel happy for him because Grendel finally got the playing around with other people time he never had before in his life. Another part of the chapter that I enjoyed and was interested by was how Grendel basically messed with Unferth. I thought it was funny when Unferth goes all the way to where Grendel lives and tries to get Grendel to fight and/or kill him. I find it interesting that whatever Unferth wants, Grendel just won’t give it to him. I just really liked how Grendel kept messing with and humiliating Unferth.
This chapter was funny, and sad at the same time. The idea of a giant furry monster throwing apples at a warrior provides some comic relief. But seeing what Grendel is becoming is where the sad part comes in. He used to be a thoughtful monster, a poetic monster, just making his way in the world. But now with all these outside influences telling him who and what he ought to be, he is slowly sealing his fate of death at the hands of Beowulf. Even though it was nice of the dragon to make Grendel immune to weapons, it turned his mind. He seems to have been taken over with a false happiness, which must be constantly renewed. The only way for him to renew it, is to wage war on the humans.
-William
I don’t believe that the newly found power that the dragon gave to Grendel was a gift. It seems like more of a curse. Grendel had thought about being nice to the humans on multiple occasions, especially when the dragon terrified him, but now he has turned into a monster. He feels invincible and uses it to his amusement, but at the same time seems miserable with what he has become. I think part of the reason the dragon may have done this is because since the dragon sees the future, he might have taken a liking to Grendel and tried to give him something that would save him from death at the blade of some hero. But now Grendel’s rein of terror is just guaranteeing his death at the hands of Beowulf. So maybe the dragon actually hates Grendel and gave this power to him so that he would take advantage of it and later be killed in a worse way by Beowulf. I’m not sure. Either way I really don’t like what the dragon has done.
-Robin
Grendel is really coming in to his monster character. Since he now has meaning in his life he is attacking the humans all the time. i feel like he is getting a little carried away. He is still very poetic and shows it even when he is fighting. It felt like he was so sure that he would not get hurt by them that he put his guard down all the way. I feel that eventually this behavior will come back and hurt him. I loved when he was fighting the "Hero" and throwing apples at him. Overall i really enjoyed this chapter and it had lots of funny bits in it.
I really liked this chapter for several reasons. I thought that Grendels "fight" with Unferth was really sad/funny. Even though Unferth wanted to battle, Grendel knew that he could vanquish him, so instead of ripping Unferth to bits, Grendel wanted to communicate with a human. I thought it was interesting how later on in this chapter, Unferth follows Grendel home and has a chat. I guess Unferth saw that there was a good side to this "monster". Reading "Beowulf", I envisioned Unferth being a sleazy coward, but after reading this chapter and getting to know his backround, he doesn't seem like such a bad guy to me. I think Grendel felt sympathetic towards Unferth's life history. Whenever Grendel attacked the Meadhall, Unferth was always untouched.
I feel really bad for Unferth even though it's almost hilarious how pathetic he is. I think he wants to be liked and admired, but he's not really the heroic type. The apple scene and the scene where Unferth is in Grendel's cave were both really funny but kinda sad the same time. On one hand, I want to help Unferth because he's struggling so much. On the other hand, I want to laugh hysterically at the whole thing.
Besides Unferth being a weakling in this chapter, Grendel is changing. I think meeting the dragon changed his views on life and himself. Grendel is becoming more like a monster and less like a philosophical being. He's started attacking the mead hall a lot more and pondering life a lot less. I think that Grendel is acting this way is because the dragon said it's okay to scare the humans and there's no reason not to.
Another thing that you can really see in this chapter is Grendel's philosophy changing. He basically absorbed annhilism from the dragon. Now he thinks that nothing matters and there is no meaning in anything. I think that's a depressing way of life for him and he's taking out his sadness on the humans.
Seeing how the dragon changes Grendel is frightening, but I enjoy seeing him complete. He's so terrible, and cruel now. I love it! To see that he has a purpose makes me feel good for Grendel's sake, and I still love to see him using his mind. Even as he kills people with brute strength and fear, he still uses his mind. I like how he doesn't completely fall into the mechanical world as another mechanism, but still maintains his mind. I'm torn when he humiliates Unferth though. I love the way Grendel humiliates him and just throws apples at him to make him seem more foolish. I can't help but laugh. However, I feel bad for Unferth. Making someone envy the dead is frightening, and I'm sure we've all been embarrassed at least once in our lives and are familiar with the feeling. I understand where his bitterness comes from now.
this was a very odd chapter. we get to see a version of unferth that is very different from the one in beowulf. in Grendel's story, Unferth is trying to stand up to Grendel. fight him. be a hero. but Grendel just uses impenetrability to not kill Unferth, but humiliate him. he could do so much worse. he's killed and eaten countless men. massacred the mead hall and wandered hopelessly looking for stuff to do. finally he has a reason to be there. he comes above all the violence and figures out he can do more than that. he can humiliate. instead of crushing unferth, slicing hip open, he throws apples at him. poor unferth.
I think that the "help" the dragon gives him by making him invincible is actually a curse. He was a scared but thoughtful monster before the talk to the dragon but now he is a real monster that kills without reason, kind of like the bull. He has become mechanical, he doesn't see any meaning in life and he knows now that he is the evil in the world. He has now found the his meaning to life but he is still a nihilist, which is a pretty weird way of looking at the world if you ask me...
This chapter was really funny, and really sad all at once. It made me laugh that Unferth tried to create a picture of himself being a hero and received a few nice apples, and at the same time that was sad... I felt bad for the poor guy.
Then I immediately I took that back because he came to Beowulf like a little baby asking for death because of his humiliation, COME ON UNFERTH suck it up and face your people like a TRUE hero...
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